Original Dio drummer Vinny Appice talked about the controversy about the devil horn sign between Geezer Butler and Ronnie James Dio in an appearance on That Jamieson Show.

As you might recall, the devil horn sing got famous especially with Ronnie James Dio, and most people know that he is the inventor of this sign that now become a cult in the rock and metal community.

While Dio was saying that he learned this sign from his grandmother, Black Sabbath bass guitarist Geezer Butler claimed that he is actually the one who showed this sign to Dio during the Heaven & Hell recording.

In the conversation, Vinny was asked if he knows about the truth of the devil horn sign, and the iconic drummer said that it actually doesn’t matter who found it first, either Geezer or Dio.

Furthermore, Vinny mentioned that he also knows about the story of Dio, in which he called the sign ‘maloik,’ but he also admitted that he wasn’t there during the records of the Heaven & Hell album so anything could have happened.

Interviewer asked:

“Geezer Butler was on The Eddie Trunk Show and he said on there that he claims that he was the one that showed Ronnie the devil horns before he started doing them. So obviously, he got picked up by all these outlets and all that stuff. I guess the main question is – does it really matter?”

Vinny Appice replied:

“It doesn’t matter. The only story I heard was Ronnie used to say he got this from his grandmother.

It was an Italian thing – one way you put the horns on somebody, one way which is kind of an evil thing, I don’t know which way it is. And then the other way you’re deflecting evil or something. So it’s called the ‘maloik’ and he always said that his grandmother showed them that.

But I wasn’t there at the beginning of when they were making the ‘Heaven and hell’ album, that was Bill Ward on drums, so that’s when Ronnie started playing with Geezer, so I don’t know what happened there.

So it could be uh maybe a variation of that, I have no idea. But I remember that Ronnie would tell me about that.”

You can check out the full interview below.